[robocup-humanoid] Rule Discussion for 2011

[Tang Qing]

Dear Oskar and all:

Thank you for your specific notes on the rule discussion. My opinions are as below:

1. I prefer enlarging the kidSize field to reducing foot size from H^2/28 to H^2/30. Nowadays, the main problem in kidSize teams is still about the walking abilities. A lot of teams couldn't walk quick and stable during the games. Decreaing the foot size won't help them on this problem. On the other hand, it might get worse. However, enlarging the field size might not only encourage teams to enhance their walking abilities, but also make teams consider much more on team works. General speaking the large field we play, the more important the team work will be. With a large field, we might no longer to worry about how to pass the opponent in a narrow space, instead, we could avoid the position the opponent has taken easily. It also encourages teams to identify and locate both teams' robots.

2. The robot body color problem needn't hurry. The reason is that only a few team actually identify robots in the games.

3. Removing poles are needed when majority teams had the ability of self-position. 

4. For the best humanoid robot prize, I think a vote is not enough. I advice that there should be a PPT presentation for each best humanoid robot candidates. Each candidates are limited to 15~20 munites. The topics are about one best technique they used in the game. RoboCup is a place for people sharing ideas and learning from each other. Strong teams which will win best humanoid robot prize later are encouraged to show their high quality control theories and share their ideas. Some of the teams' work couldn't be seen from the matches. For example, candidates could show how they did the robot's self position and the result of position precision and time cost during the position. I think it helps the other teams to grow stronger and is good for the humanoid league.

These are my suggestions. I'd like to hear your ideas and comments. 

Thank you all.


2010-11-15 



Tang Qing 



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Dear HL Teams,
To continue the discussion of the evolution of the rules
which we had in the team leader meeting on June 23, 2010, in Singapore
I am posting a summary from my notes.
Please send your comments and additions to this mailing list.
We should aim at finalizing the rule discussion for RoboCup 2011 in 
Istanbul, by the end of 2010.
Best regards,
Oskar
Notes from team leader meeting on 2010/6/23:
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Layout of the field:
- Increase Teen/AdultSize Field
   + approx. 1.5 times / area doubling
  + 7:0:1  pro:con:abstains (only Teen/AdultSize teams)
- Removing poles
  + 2:14:2 majority against
- Aim for KidSize 5vs5 demo games on enlarged Teen/AdultSize Field.
- GC: increase penalty for manually started teams to 20 s
  + 4:12:3  majority against
- specify the maximum mesh size of the net
- Other ball for Teen/AdultSize
  + FIFA size 3 and 5 orange balls
  teams need to check
- Other ball for KidSize?
  + other orange ball:
    --> check with SPL about availability of their ball
  + white ball ?
- Number of players in TeenSize
  + increase to three: 1:5:6 (majority against)
Design of the robots
  + minimum height TeenSize: everyone who thinks
  of attending TeenSize votes:
  80cm: 3
  90cm: 0
  100cm: 6
  abstains: 5
  no majority for decreasing minimum hight TeenSize
  + foot size reduce from H^2/28 to H^2/30
  + robot body color:
  aluminium frame
  longterm goal: colored robot, brighter
  teams for brighter color, white
  8:5:1
  but may have to color feet black
  4.6.1 also you may not use team colors of the other team
  + size: later perhaps KidSize, TeenSize, Adultsize
  heights could be increased all together
Technical challenge
  + TeenSize: double pass instead of footrace
  5:0:0
  + Replacing one challenge by kicking high challenge
  7:3:3
  + Remove throw-in for kicking high: 3
  + remov passing for kick high: 4
  + remove dribble: 2
  + abstains: 4
  + arbitrary ball challenge
  pro: 7:1:6
  everyone brings own ball, but gets own ball not
  robot starts on center mark, ball selected by referee,
  first touch it
  balls should be introduced first?
  --> Check with SPL how they did it earlier?
  + There are some concerns that more than 3 challenges
  may cause lots of difficulties
  (preparation of teams more time consuming,
  more time for referee training needed, etc.).
Rules of the game
  + 10 goal difference mercy rule,
  teams that score more than 10 goals, e.g. 11:1,
  are counted only 10 goals for the round robin ranking
  (the other team of course gets their goals counted)
  For counting less received goals
  5:0:9
  p. 40
- Number of trophies for Teen & AdultSize,
  depending on no. of teams
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